Most Over Rated

[TeleFuzz]

I am not interested in debating who YOU think is the most overrated, just interested to see who you think gets far too much credit. So... don't go flaming someone else's choice because you got it bad for Slash or something.

My top 5 overrated (bands musicians):

1. Joe Satriani and Steve Vai. I put them together because one of them taught the other.
2. Kings of Leon (I had to look this one up, because I have only heard two of their songs)
3. Daughtry
4. KISS. That's right KISS Army... someone finally said it ;) (have some fun)
5. Def Leppard.

No need to give reasons, just spout out who you think is the most overrated.

[cweber]

Justin Beiber. What?

[TeleFuzz]

Oh no you di'int!

Im a Belieber! I've got the Bieber fever!

Hahahaha. Ohh man, just wait till puberty destroys him.

[nicole]

Justin Beiber. What?

but he can shred

[PoisonGirl]

Plain White T's

the band I hate the most yet over-rated.

[TeleFuzz]

Musically speaking I live under a rock. I only heard that Delialah song and knew "this is what ever girl will want to hear for 2 years until the next fad comes along".

The only new music I am exposed to is whatever my friends listen to. One of them forces us to listen to Justin Bieber just to get everyone hot and bothered. Ive been considering buying him a Justin Bieber dinner set... But I am cheap, it would be funny though.

[belle]

omfg, not Bieber!!!!!!!! grrrrr, step away from him,
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
no more!!!! *runs around screaming, hands up in the air!!!*

[TeleFuzz]

See, shes got Bieber fever just like me.

Ya'll need to be Beliebers ;) .

[Zatanna]

Christina Aguilera. Don't get me wrong, I used to love her, but now she's just so overrated, and not as good as she used to be. Not to mention the lip-synching and messing up the National Anthem.

[Chubba]

Interesting thread - somebody will walk away unhappy! lol

green day - I'm not sure about 'overrated' but they're one of those bands that i think i should like, and everyone goes on about how they're punk (ha!), and how amazing they are, but I don't get it or i don't see it....and they keep putting out cookie cutter pop - i'm all for simplicity, but they sound like a novelty act to me...

i do enjoy watching green day in interviews, they're fun and entertaining...lol

though not related to the green day thing - in general i think the focus on virtuosity in players is way overrated - i've seen tons of guitarists that can rip an eddie van halen solo, or guys that seem to have to show everything they can do in every song they play, but it doesn't move me, but a few notes from hubert sumlin, or to listen to howlin wolf growl...that's where it is, it's visceral...to me anyway

[belle]

See, shes got Bieber fever just like me.

Ya'll need to be Beliebers ;) .

uhm nops its the opposte exctally!!!!!!
cant stand the kids singing!!!!

[TeleFuzz]

Psstt, sarcasm ;) .

I don't know any of his songs. I just think its funny to say I'm a Belieber.

If it hasn't been released on vinyl, I have probably never heard it.

[PoisonGirl]

uhm nops its the opposte exctally!!!!!!
cant stand the kids singing!!!!

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[TeleFuzz]

Interesting thread - somebody will walk away unhappy! lol

green day - I'm not sure about 'overrated' but they're one of those bands that i think i should like, and everyone goes on about how they're punk (ha!), and how amazing they are, but I don't get it or i don't see it....and they keep putting out cookie cutter pop - i'm all for simplicity, but they sound like a novelty act to me...

i do enjoy watching green day in interviews, they're fun and entertaining...lol

though not related to the green day thing - in general i think the focus on virtuosity in players is way overrated - i've seen tons of guitarists that can rip an eddie van halen solo, or guys that seem to have to show everything they can do in every song they play, but it doesn't move me, but a few notes from hubert sumlin, or to listen to howlin wolf growl...that's where it is, it's visceral...to me anyway

A few of my friends are big on punk, and they HATE Green Day, at least the new stuff. But I never listened to them to begin with.

However I do agree. Growing up a lot of my friends seemed to be advancing further than me in guitar: playing solos and such. However I soon learned that was all they could do, copy and paste. They did not understand WHY it worked or HOW it worked.

This is why I've been such a proponent of rhythm guitar and learning how to build chords. If you can't play rhythm, you aren't worth a damn.

The best soloists can play rhythm well.

This is also why I love listening to Miles Davis, a good portion of his stuff is not super fast (though he can and does play fast), but it slow and melodic. The notes he chooses to play or not play blow my mind, and it sounds so... simple. So What, Bye Bye Black Bird, Stella by Starlight. All great.

Don't get me wrong, I also dig John Coltrane's fast and wild approach, but even when he does that hes doing it all based on the chord structure.

On a side note, all the kids who played the fast solos, don't play today.

[Chubba]

This is why I've been such a proponent of rhythm guitar and learning how to build chords. If you can't play rhythm, you aren't worth a damn.

The best soloists can play rhythm well.

On a side note, all the kids who played the fast solos, don't play today.
hehe - I've played with some guys who played lead, and then, saying something like - 'ok, when we do the part that goes Cm to G', and then getting a blank look ! lol
I'Ve started playing some lead and need to know the progression to put something together (though am working on holding back and playing appropriately...lol)

also...nickelback..ick...good on them for becoming so successful, but again...they don't do it for me...

[TeleFuzz]

I know how you feel, I can't play with a lot of people because when I say "Okay were gonna play Dm7 G7 Cmajor 7 and A7" They say "ok... what?"

The universal language is no longer universal. Then I try to tell them what scales they can play... man...

Typically I try to stick to a simple 1 4 5 blues progression. Its simple, and anyone can understand it.

Some of them want to start a jazz band with me, which is cool. But I will have to tab everything out, and give them sheets to read and study.

But I tell you what,even finding people who PLAY is getting harder. I used to know 40 people who played. Today... even for young people... its not as popular to play an instrument. Sad

[Chubba]

no doubt...i just got a book on Django Reinhardt - I'm not so much a jazz guy, but i like the sound, tone, warmth of Jazz guitar, and there's a lot I can learn from this...

then there was the time i overrated myself - local sunday afternoon jam at a blues bar - these guys ask me (before i had seen them play at all) 'hey why don't you sit in and jam on bass - just a simple I - IV - V blues' - then this guy busts out the most amazing jazz playing i've ever seen, leaving me in the dust...lol

it was a good time, and they were cool about it, and we did find some common ground, but was a good reminder, that as I improve, how much there is to learn...

[belle]

[QUOTE=Chubba;165229]no doubt...i just got a book on Django Reinhardt - QUOTE]

django is foooking amasing!!!!!

[Chubba]

also considering he had 2 fingers on his fretting hand that were not completely functional - i watched some videos - he put them to use, but still, impressive...

[nicole]

dont hiss on my justin!!!

[TeleFuzz]

no doubt...i just got a book on Django Reinhardt - I'm not so much a jazz guy, but i like the sound, tone, warmth of Jazz guitar, and there's a lot I can learn from this...

then there was the time i overrated myself - local sunday afternoon jam at a blues bar - these guys ask me (before i had seen them play at all) 'hey why don't you sit in and jam on bass - just a simple I - IV - V blues' - then this guy busts out the most amazing jazz playing i've ever seen, leaving me in the dust...lol

it was a good time, and they were cool about it, and we did find some common ground, but was a good reminder, that as I improve, how much there is to learn...

Django did more with 2 fingers than anyone else has done with all 4.

I love the stuff he did with Grapelli, I don't think there's a single Django tune I don't love. He's a very different style of jazz, but man... great stuff.

I'm a mediocre jazz player at best, at least when it comes to solos. I'm damn good with chords, so its really just a matter of learning what scales fit over what chords, etc etc.

I do well enough, but I practice every day to learn more.

[Chubba]

i hear ya - I'm pretty good with the chords and voicings, but not like a jazz player - i'm usually in awe watching the chords, and bass runs, and transitions between chords and so on when i see a good jazz player...and with those big guitars, looking all laid back...it's cool...lol

[-Mantra-]

When it comes to Bieber then I agree with belle.

I really don't get how "Eruption" gets so much praise. In my opinion that piece is just wanking off.

[TeleFuzz]

All my chords studies have been basically jazz. I love the American songbook man. All those old Gerswhin tunes are just awesome.

I also dig Theo Monk, everyone stole his work; and man what a genius!

I started in the blues, but my teacher eventually worked me into jazz when I was about 16. I had to quit lessons when I was 18, so I never got the learn all the fancy stuff.

Now that Ive gotten older and am gainfully employed I went back to study just jazz improvisation. Basically scales to chords.

Its made everything else infinitely easier.

[nicole]

When it comes to Bieber then I agree with belle.

I really don't get how "Eruption" gets so much praise. In my opinion that piece is just wanking off.

but he was like the 1st guy to turn it to 11 and do hammer ons and pick offs and then whammy the snot out of it



its not the craziest thing ive ever heard really

[Chubba]

well - it makes me feel that i'm pointed in a good direction

and Mantra - agree about eruption - it's impressive, but a bit of wankin....lol

it's fun to play solos, but there's that line that you see some guitarists cross, where it's like you're watching someone get themselves off...

[TeleFuzz]

well - it makes me feel that i'm pointed in a good direction

and Mantra - agree about eruption - it's impressive, but a bit of wankin....lol

it's fun to play solos, but there's that line that you see some guitarists cross, where it's like you're watching someone get themselves off...

Yginwie (or however he spells it)
Steve Vai and Satriani

Never been a fan, for various reasons.

Creativity seems to go out the window in favor of speed.

[nicole]

the edge

[Chubba]

but he was like the 1st guy to turn it to 11 and do hammer ons and pick offs and then whammy the snot out of it



its not the craziest thing ive ever heard really

no doubt nicole - evh played a big role in the evolution of guitar playing, but when I listen to Van Halen, it just feels like a band writing crappy songs so that they can showcase Eddie's playing

however, having said that, i'm a kid of grunge, so when i talk to someone 5 yrs older than me, they're very insulted by me not 'getting' Van Halen - but i just don't...lol

[nicole]

they really were bad at writing...like some of the stuff is so bad i get embarrassed hearing it...and they're b4 my time really..but i listen to alot of stuff.....and to tell the truth..i think it got worse at writing as time went on after listeng to their back catalogue..wow..some of it was ..like...idk...

especailly some of the antics by sammy hagar on live sets i heard...i wanted to puke

[TeleFuzz]

no doubt nicole - evh played a big role in the evolution of guitar playing, but when I listen to Van Halen, it just feels like a band writing crappy songs so that they can showcase Eddie's playing

however, having said that, i'm a kid of grunge, so when i talk to someone 5 yrs older than me, they're very insulted by me not 'getting' Van Halen - but i just don't...lol

You'll be that way when some young up start says "Nirvana sucks".

Honestly, the 80s has very little to offer the music scene. Its much like today...

There seems to be a rise in fall of music from dance-music (sorry folks... I wont put techno pop/dance in the category of music. If its played by a computer... its not music). The 80s was a lot of electronic music.

So what... Stevie Ray Vaughan.... maybe ZZ Top at times... Other than that I can live without the 80s scene.

[nicole]

well..people are gonna shoot me but SRV to me is pretty over rated..

*prepares for tomatos to be thrown at me*

i have my reasons though...

[Chubba]

You'll be that way when some young up start says "Nirvana sucks".


lol - it's true - I'll be like 'you don't know what you're talking about, man!'

haha - actually - some of that stuff still shines for me, but i go back to some of it and think ....i listened to this over and over back in the day? lol

[-Mantra-]

You know... I'm surprised Kirk Hammett hasn't been brought up yet.

[TeleFuzz]

well..people are gonna shoot me but SRV to me is pretty over rated..

*prepares for tomatos to be thrown at me*

i have my reasons though...

I disagree, but possibly for different reasons.

Stevie Ray was probably the last great main stream guitarist/virtuoso.

I think he was overrated because people today talk about how great he is without knowing anything more than his top 2 songs. Like the people who say "Led Zeppelin is awesome, he's so creative".

Overrated skills wise? I'd disagree, but I wont throw tomatoes at you.

I hate punk music to no end, and dance music even more. Everyone has their own taste.

I doubt you'll find many people here who listen to records, and John Coltrane records at that. Some people hear Giant Steps and think "what?" I hear it and think "wow".

A lot of musical tastes are subjective...

Now... I said I wasn't going to throw tomatoes... and I wont. PREPARE TO EAT POTATOES DEVIL WOMAN!!!!!

[TeleFuzz]

You know... I'm surprised Kirk Hammett hasn't been brought up yet.

Is that Metalica guy?

[nicole]

kirk hammett

[Chubba]

kirk hammett uses lots of wah...i don't know - i bet he's a better guitar player than me....lol

now james hetfield - he's playing those riffs AND singing...that'S some skill...lol

[nicole]

kirk hammett uses lots of wah...i don't know - i bet he's a better guitar player than me....lol

now james hetfield - he's playing those riffs AND singing...that'S some skill...lol

whiskey in the jar-oh

[Chubba]

whiskey in the jar-oh

haha - i played the celtic version in an acoustic bar duo i was in - never knew the words - just followed the progression...lol

[TeleFuzz]

Slash

Not that he sucks. He just gets WAY to much credit.

And while I love him... Jimmy Page.

Again, hes a great guitarist (when hes sober...) but too many mindless followers.

Jimi Hendrix: same as Page.

Yes, yes. Let the hate flow through you!

[Chubba]

agree to a point about slash - he does a lot of the same - but i think I'd be friends with him - i like him...lol

for me, with Jimmy Page - it's about how he was the guiding force (at least allegedly) behind Led Zeppelin - sure, he gets sloppy sometimes, but man, there's some great live footage of him too....

I think for Hendrix, it's about time and place - I've seen some pretty messy video (maybe due to 'enhancements' or whatever), but he was the mainstream guy who was changing what people were doing on the guitar...at the time...at least that's what the articles and books tell me...lol

underrated - robbie krieger (the doors) - i just feel he had a unique style, coming from a jazz/flamenco background, and that he always (i think) played with his fingers...he could still put together a badass blues solo...

[-Mantra-]

I foooking love Slash, but I think that he got much of his following and popularity from his image as the cool, smooth playa whos wearing lots of leather, tophat, sucking a cigarette and having this "not giving a ****" attitude...

[TeleFuzz]

agree to a point about slash - he does a lot of the same - but i think I'd be friends with him - i like him...lol

for me, with Jimmy Page - it's about how he was the guiding force (at least allegedly) behind Led Zeppelin - sure, he gets sloppy sometimes, but man, there's some great live footage of him too....

I think for Hendrix, it's about time and place - I've seen some pretty messy video (maybe due to 'enhancements' or whatever), but he was the mainstream guy who was changing what people were doing on the guitar...at the time...at least that's what the articles and books tell me...lol

underrated - robbie krieger (the doors) - i just feel he had a unique style, coming from a jazz/flamenco background, and that he always (i think) played with his fingers...he could still put together a badass blues solo...

I disagree, Jimmy Page was only sloppy when he was drugged up or drunk. He was one of the best studio musicians of his day.

Theres plenty of great live Zeppelin stuff. Again I'm not knocking Jimmy, Im a huge Page fan. But he gets a huge following simply because he is Jimmy Page. A lot of people don't know the huge acoustic influence he had. People HATE Led Zeppelin 3 because its a lot of acoustic stuff, but Page and Jones loved that shit.

Don't forget the whole group was amazing, all fantastic musicians, especially John Paul Jones.

He is very underrated.

[cweber]

You guys have been busy lil beavers. I would have been in on the conversation, but I was at guitar lessons. One day I will be one of these overated musicians your talking about.

[Chubba]

You guys have been busy lil beavers. I would have been in on the conversation, but I was at guitar lessons. One day I will be one of these overated musicians your talking about.

awesome...It's important to have goals in life!

[cweber]

Hey, you gotta start somewhere right? Seriously though, I think Led Zeppelin is full of great musicians and I love their music. We all have different tastes and opinions so its hard to say who is overated for me. Im glad you guys said some of my favorite musicians cause I couldnt do it. I do agree that Hendrix and SRV are over rated though. Hendrix changed the way we look at the guitar, but I think hes far from the greatest. His career was cut short to though.

[TeleFuzz]

Just because someone is overrated does not necessarily imply that they are not talented.

Though I am a huge Led Zeppelin fan, they are incredibly overrated. Often times people really overlook their true greatness just because its Led Zeppelin. This also means they ignore their flaws. Some of Page's live playing really blows; probably because he was on heroin or drank half a fifth of Jack before he went on stage.

[Mr.228]

I am not interested in debating who YOU think is the most overrated, just interested to see who you think gets far too much credit. So... don't go flaming someone else's choice because you got it bad for Slash or something.

My top 5 overrated (bands musicians):

1. Joe Satriani and Steve Vai. I put them together because one of them taught the other.
2. Kings of Leon (I had to look this one up, because I have only heard two of their songs)
3. Daughtry
4. KISS. That's right KISS Army... someone finally said it ;) (have some fun)
5. Def Leppard.

No need to give reasons, just spout out who you think is the most overrated.


You and I are going to get along nicely :)

Throw in Kirk Hammett because, just like Steve Vai, he took lessons from Satriani. The sad thing is, I remember when Surfing with the alien first came out, I bought an Ibanez RG550 (which I still have and love but don't play much) just because of that album.

Kiss- Not only are Paul and Gene overrated, they've made millions of dollars selling themselves as just that. Mediocre musicians, brilliant promotions guys.

To your list, let me add U2's Edge.

[HumanPinata]

1. Metallica (I love old Metallica, pre ...And Justice For All days, and they are hailed as the kings of thrash, I always thought Pantera was a better band)
2. Paramore (I don't know what the big deal is over them, generic emo rock)
3. Led Zepplin (I've never really liked them, my Dad loves them and listens to them constantly, could be why)
4. All Time Low (Like Paramore, been hearing them alot on the radio here, generic emo rock)
5. Misfits (My favorite band, but with that said, their best days are long gone and behind them but yet their Bass player Jerry Only seems content on raping and pimping the band's name for every cent he can get his greasy hands on)

[TeleFuzz]

Old thread, but I am bored.

Kurt Cobain.